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		<title>Comment on Eluding Consciousness by La grande traîtrise &#171;  le quai des brumes </title>
		<link>http://www.dharma-blues.com/eng/2009/01/02/eluding-consciousness/#comment-1314</link>
		<dc:creator>La grande traîtrise &#171;  le quai des brumes </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Eluding Consciousness, article rédigé en janvier 2009 sur le site de dharma blues, je faisais état d&#8217;une [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Hierarchical Keyword Madness in Digital Photos by zakoops</title>
		<link>http://www.dharma-blues.com/eng/2008/09/04/hierarchical-keyword-madness-in-digital-photos/#comment-351</link>
		<dc:creator>zakoops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your comments.

Very constructive!

Since my post, I'm now using Adobe Lightroom 2 which allows for a nice balance between embedded metadata and an external database.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comments.</p>
<p>Very constructive!</p>
<p>Since my post, I&#8217;m now using Adobe Lightroom 2 which allows for a nice balance between embedded metadata and an external database.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hierarchical Keyword Madness in Digital Photos by Sherwood Botsford</title>
		<link>http://www.dharma-blues.com/eng/2008/09/04/hierarchical-keyword-madness-in-digital-photos/#comment-350</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherwood Botsford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the solution is decent import/export tools.  If there is a means of exporting the metadata in a standard format, then you have a chance of pulling that data out, beating up on it to get it into a differnt form, and shoving it back in.

Further:  Pulling the data out of the file is slow, especially compared to a database.  The ideal solution is to have belt and suspenders:  It's in a database for fast access, it's embedded in the picture tags for robustness.  So you work with your images in the database, but your software has a separate application that can run in background or as a service/daemon that syncs the database and the pictures.

Good DAM needs a couple other features:

1.  If I copy an image, the information gets copied with it.  With embedded tags, this happens automatically.

2.  If I edit an image, the system needs to figure out what was done.
*  Adjusting tonal values -- processing tag changes, subject tags don't change.
*  Resize.  Diminsion tags, and posibly suitibility tags change.
*  Light Crop -- Amber warning.  Subject tags may change.
*  Heavy Crop -- Red warning.  Subject tags almost certain to change.

For these warning situations, the two images should be presented to the editor and ask to verify the tags.

3.  External programs.  Dealing with other programs that can rummage trough the same filing system is tricky.  This is one reason that embedded tags are preferred.  Some external programs play fast and loose with metadata.  Cautious testing required.

A valuable feature in a DAM program is the ability to copy/paste metadata.  Some metadata you want to apply to a group of pix.  E.g.
You want to say that ALL of this folder should be tagged "Yugoslavia 2008"  Or if you used Photoshop to turn a color print into a black and white pic, you want to copy most of the metadata from the original to the copy.

Good DAM systems allow flexible keyword=value tags.  For example, you may require that every photo has a value for the keyword "Location"  This forces you to explicitly say that it is 'unknown' if you don't know.  With GPS enabled cameras this will be increasingly rare, but it will still be necessary to translate 48.999932 -115.334821 to "Grandmother's farm"

If you run a tree farm (as I do.) you want a keyword "species" for a lot of your pictures.  It should be able to take multiple values (If you have a mixed group of spruce and fir...)  

I'm finding that the more metadata I can assign to a photo, the more useful the photo becomes.  If a picture is worth a thousand words than a picture with metadata is worth a million.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the solution is decent import/export tools.  If there is a means of exporting the metadata in a standard format, then you have a chance of pulling that data out, beating up on it to get it into a differnt form, and shoving it back in.</p>
<p>Further:  Pulling the data out of the file is slow, especially compared to a database.  The ideal solution is to have belt and suspenders:  It&#8217;s in a database for fast access, it&#8217;s embedded in the picture tags for robustness.  So you work with your images in the database, but your software has a separate application that can run in background or as a service/daemon that syncs the database and the pictures.</p>
<p>Good DAM needs a couple other features:</p>
<p>1.  If I copy an image, the information gets copied with it.  With embedded tags, this happens automatically.</p>
<p>2.  If I edit an image, the system needs to figure out what was done.<br />
*  Adjusting tonal values &#8212; processing tag changes, subject tags don&#8217;t change.<br />
*  Resize.  Diminsion tags, and posibly suitibility tags change.<br />
*  Light Crop &#8212; Amber warning.  Subject tags may change.<br />
*  Heavy Crop &#8212; Red warning.  Subject tags almost certain to change.</p>
<p>For these warning situations, the two images should be presented to the editor and ask to verify the tags.</p>
<p>3.  External programs.  Dealing with other programs that can rummage trough the same filing system is tricky.  This is one reason that embedded tags are preferred.  Some external programs play fast and loose with metadata.  Cautious testing required.</p>
<p>A valuable feature in a DAM program is the ability to copy/paste metadata.  Some metadata you want to apply to a group of pix.  E.g.<br />
You want to say that ALL of this folder should be tagged &#8220;Yugoslavia 2008&#8243;  Or if you used Photoshop to turn a color print into a black and white pic, you want to copy most of the metadata from the original to the copy.</p>
<p>Good DAM systems allow flexible keyword=value tags.  For example, you may require that every photo has a value for the keyword &#8220;Location&#8221;  This forces you to explicitly say that it is &#8216;unknown&#8217; if you don&#8217;t know.  With GPS enabled cameras this will be increasingly rare, but it will still be necessary to translate 48.999932 -115.334821 to &#8220;Grandmother&#8217;s farm&#8221;</p>
<p>If you run a tree farm (as I do.) you want a keyword &#8220;species&#8221; for a lot of your pictures.  It should be able to take multiple values (If you have a mixed group of spruce and fir&#8230;)  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m finding that the more metadata I can assign to a photo, the more useful the photo becomes.  If a picture is worth a thousand words than a picture with metadata is worth a million.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stages of the four yogas of mahamudra by zakoops</title>
		<link>http://www.dharma-blues.com/eng/2008/06/08/stages-of-the-four-yogas-of-mahamudra/#comment-340</link>
		<dc:creator>zakoops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments!</p>
<p>The template for this blog is available at <a href="http://www.woothemes.com/" rel="nofollow">WooThemes</a> and it&#8217;s called <a href="http://www.woothemes.com/2008/04/fresh-news/" rel="nofollow">Fresh News</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stages of the four yogas of mahamudra by automotive floor jacks</title>
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		<dc:creator>automotive floor jacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the first time I comment  here and I must say   you provide us genuine, and quality information for   bloggers! Good job.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first time I comment  here and I must say   you provide us genuine, and quality information for   bloggers! Good job.<br />
p.s. You have an awesome template for your blog. Where did you find it?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hierarchical Keyword Madness in Digital Photos by Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.dharma-blues.com/eng/2008/09/04/hierarchical-keyword-madness-in-digital-photos/#comment-125</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 07:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.

I've been using Photoshop Elements Organizer with some success, but fear the problem that you cite: It doesn't store the hierarchical tags in the photo itself.

Further, I run Linux, so finding exactly what I want is often difficult (that's not to say that there's not great stuff on Linux -- au contraire -- just not for this particular use-case.

Keep us all posted!

-Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been using Photoshop Elements Organizer with some success, but fear the problem that you cite: It doesn&#8217;t store the hierarchical tags in the photo itself.</p>
<p>Further, I run Linux, so finding exactly what I want is often difficult (that&#8217;s not to say that there&#8217;s not great stuff on Linux &#8212; au contraire &#8212; just not for this particular use-case.</p>
<p>Keep us all posted!</p>
<p>-Tim</p>
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		<title>Comment on Alan Watts: A Conversation with Myself - 2 by Bookmarks about Alanwatts</title>
		<link>http://www.dharma-blues.com/eng/2008/06/20/alan-watts-a-conversation-with-myself-part-2/#comment-124</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookmarks about Alanwatts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - bookmarked by 4 members originally found by gaastra34 on 2008-11-05  Alan Watts: A Conversation with Myself- Part 2  http://www.dharma-blues.com/eng/2008/06/20/alan-watts-a-conversation-with-myself-part-2/ - [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Hierarchical Keyword Madness in Digital Photos by zakoops</title>
		<link>http://www.dharma-blues.com/eng/2008/09/04/hierarchical-keyword-madness-in-digital-photos/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>zakoops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fieryneck,

Since I wrote this article, I've been informed of &lt;a href="http://www.metadataworkinggroup.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Metadata Working Group&lt;/a&gt; which is a consortium of some companies like Adobe, Microsoft, Canon, Nokia and Sony.

The main purpose of this group is to clean out the mess mentioned in my post. To that effect, a &lt;a href="http://www.metadataworkinggroup.org/pdf/mwg_guidance.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;guideline&lt;/a&gt; has been published in September 2008. Alas, at the end of page 32 of this guideline, it says:

« &lt;i&gt;Hierarchical keywords are not covered. However it's well understood that this is an important use case even in the context of the consumer and will be added to future versions of this document. There are existing solutions available e.g. Adobe Bridge, Adobe Lightroom as well as Microsoft Expression Media and Windows Live Photo Gallery that have introduced hierarchical keyword workflows specific to their needs.&lt;/i&gt; »

I guess it will take some months before they act on this problem and set a standard for hierarchical keywords.

In the meantime, if you're looking for a free solution and that you're on a Windows box, I would go for &lt;a href="http://download.live.com/photogallery" rel="nofollow"&gt;Windows Live Photo Gallery&lt;/a&gt; where hierarchical keywords is neatly implemented!

Thanks for your comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fieryneck,</p>
<p>Since I wrote this article, I&#8217;ve been informed of <a href="http://www.metadataworkinggroup.org/" rel="nofollow">The Metadata Working Group</a> which is a consortium of some companies like Adobe, Microsoft, Canon, Nokia and Sony.</p>
<p>The main purpose of this group is to clean out the mess mentioned in my post. To that effect, a <a href="http://www.metadataworkinggroup.org/pdf/mwg_guidance.pdf" rel="nofollow">guideline</a> has been published in September 2008. Alas, at the end of page 32 of this guideline, it says:</p>
<p>« <i>Hierarchical keywords are not covered. However it&#8217;s well understood that this is an important use case even in the context of the consumer and will be added to future versions of this document. There are existing solutions available e.g. Adobe Bridge, Adobe Lightroom as well as Microsoft Expression Media and Windows Live Photo Gallery that have introduced hierarchical keyword workflows specific to their needs.</i> »</p>
<p>I guess it will take some months before they act on this problem and set a standard for hierarchical keywords.</p>
<p>In the meantime, if you&#8217;re looking for a free solution and that you&#8217;re on a Windows box, I would go for <a href="http://download.live.com/photogallery" rel="nofollow">Windows Live Photo Gallery</a> where hierarchical keywords is neatly implemented!</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hierarchical Keyword Madness in Digital Photos by Fieryneck</title>
		<link>http://www.dharma-blues.com/eng/2008/09/04/hierarchical-keyword-madness-in-digital-photos/#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator>Fieryneck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article!  I have been battling with this for some time now...

I just wish I could find some free (or cheap) hierarchical tagging software that saves the tags in the photo files.

Thanks for the article...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article!  I have been battling with this for some time now&#8230;</p>
<p>I just wish I could find some free (or cheap) hierarchical tagging software that saves the tags in the photo files.</p>
<p>Thanks for the article&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Some words worth remembering by Tony Surphman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Surphman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well done video. everything about it is cunning, from the speech to the artwork and to the way it was all edited together. i wish there were more videos out there like these with positive messages. I also like your last comment in your post about people doing their part to break from being controlled by the negative and one roaded mentality of the people's governments.

-TS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well done video. everything about it is cunning, from the speech to the artwork and to the way it was all edited together. i wish there were more videos out there like these with positive messages. I also like your last comment in your post about people doing their part to break from being controlled by the negative and one roaded mentality of the people&#8217;s governments.</p>
<p>-TS</p>
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